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RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - NightHorse666 - 06-22-2017
(06-22-2017, 12:23 PM)Gentian Wrote: It sounds to me like you're mostly doing it right. Don't puppet her, but when you know where she is, try to focus on her, with your eyes open. Make your eyes shift focus so they are where she would be if she were flesh. Also, incorporate your other senses.
Alright, so I am doing it right?
And thanks for the advice, was kinda worried noone would respond.
How long should it be until I get any progress? I know it varies from person to person, but just an estimate? It took me about 5 months to finally "hear" her (I put that in quotation marks since she's limited to a head voice at the moment, rather than a external voice), if that makes it easier to say.
RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - Gentian - 06-23-2017
(06-22-2017, 10:16 PM)NightHorse666 Wrote:(06-22-2017, 12:23 PM)Gentian Wrote: It sounds to me like you're mostly doing it right. Don't puppet her, but when you know where she is, try to focus on her, with your eyes open. Make your eyes shift focus so they are where she would be if she were flesh. Also, incorporate your other senses.
Alright, so I am doing it right?
And thanks for the advice, was kinda worried noone would respond.
How long should it be until I get any progress? I know it varies from person to person, but just an estimate? It took me about 5 months to finally "hear" her (I put that in quotation marks since she's limited to a head voice at the moment, rather than a external voice), if that makes it easier to say.
I can't speak from experience as I've never actually tried to create any kind of thoughtform more advanced than an ordinary thoughtform, never something like a tulpa, I've only studied how to do it. However, in my own experience a couple of weeks was all that was needed to get a minor independence in the thoughtforms I did create. You sound like you're well beyond that in behavior, but I could also see the thoughtforms, better than it sounds like you can your tulpa, but couldn't hear, touch, taste or smell them, and it sounds like you can sort of do that.
I don't know what to say other than keep practicing, because there are cases of tulpae being accidentally created, so you can hardly fail as long as you keep at it. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - NightHorse666 - 06-26-2017
Okay, so we just got done with the first real forcing session in a long while, and let me tell you, visualising like that is a lot more difficult than the passive forcing I've been doing. I have some questions though.
Is it normal to not be able to see more than one specific part of her at first? I could really only focus on her head this time. Is being able to see more just something that comes with time? Also, is it strange that I can't seem to process her blinking/breathing without syncing my own up with hers?
And Pinkie also wants me to voice my concerns about my explanations, so I guess I'll do it here.
I'm worried that I'm doing a poor job with explaining how it is for me, and how far along I am with my progress. The reason this worries me is cause I'm thinking that if I do finally find a way to word it properly, that it will end in another warden-type situation with people thinking that I'm more along than I actually am. I don't want to be the cause of any problems or drama. So if anyone wants to ask specifics on my progress, or how Pinkie is for me currently, go ahead and ask, and I'll try my best to answer. It might even yield better advice for me that way, who knows.
RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - Rares - 06-27-2017
Okay, so say on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being literally nothing and 10 being a perfect, successful tulpa, where would you place yourself at the moment, and why would you place yourself there?
RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - NightHorse666 - 06-27-2017
(06-27-2017, 03:52 PM)Rares Wrote: Okay, so say on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being literally nothing and 10 being a perfect, successful tulpa, where would you place yourself at the moment, and why would you place yourself there?
I'd probably say a 4, my interpretation of that is 5 is fully visualised, anything 6 and up is imposition and superimposition. Correct me if I'm wrong on that interpretation.
I can hear her, but it's not in the "in the room with me" kind of hearing. It's like when you think something to yourself, but it's her, not me. And I can occasionally see her in my dreams, but I can't see the details, it's more of a really hazy view of her.
RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - Gentian - 06-27-2017
(06-26-2017, 11:04 PM)NightHorse666 Wrote: Okay, so we just got done with the first real forcing session in a long while, and let me tell you, visualising like that is a lot more difficult than the passive forcing I've been doing. I have some questions though.
Is it normal to not be able to see more than one specific part of her at first? I could really only focus on her head this time. Is being able to see more just something that comes with time? Also, is it strange that I can't seem to process her blinking/breathing without syncing my own up with hers?
And Pinkie also wants me to voice my concerns about my explanations, so I guess I'll do it here.
I'm worried that I'm doing a poor job with explaining how it is for me, and how far along I am with my progress. The reason this worries me is cause I'm thinking that if I do finally find a way to word it properly, that it will end in another warden-type situation with people thinking that I'm more along than I actually am. I don't want to be the cause of any problems or drama. So if anyone wants to ask specifics on my progress, or how Pinkie is for me currently, go ahead and ask, and I'll try my best to answer. It might even yield better advice for me that way, who knows.
In my experience - which is limited to creation of minor thoughtforms, usually with the intention of releasing them as magical tools, not tulpa creation - yes, it is normal to only get bits and pieces. But I found that by increasing the number of sensory impressions I was forcing could, paradoxically help that somewhat. I would also advise you to be careful with active forcing at this stage. If she's already got some sentience, it's important for you to allow her to be and do as she wishes, and simply reinforce it with your sessions. There's a whole litany of supposed dangers that come from trying to pin her down into what you want if it's not also what she wants. Or so I've read. Again, I've never gotten as far as you are in deliberate creation of a thoughtform.
As for the blinking, and breathing, I had a minor problem with breathing, before I decided it wasn't a necessary feature on the kind of thoughtforms I was creating. So that's at least 2 people with that shared experience. Not really enough for a precedent, but it may give you something to think about.
I, for one am very interested in your progress, and in the techniques you're following. Are you pursuing the methods of any particular school? Would you mind describing a forcing session for you, and how you first started creating her?
(06-27-2017, 10:24 PM)NightHorse666 Wrote:(06-27-2017, 03:52 PM)Rares Wrote: Okay, so say on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being literally nothing and 10 being a perfect, successful tulpa, where would you place yourself at the moment, and why would you place yourself there?
I'd probably say a 4, my interpretation of that is 5 is fully visualised, anything 6 and up is imposition and superimposition. Correct me if I'm wrong on that interpretation.
I can hear her, but it's not in the "in the room with me" kind of hearing. It's like when you think something to yourself, but it's her, not me. And I can occasionally see her in my dreams, but I can't see the details, it's more of a really hazy view of her.
Are the other things in your dreams detailed? Do you dream of her every night?
RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - NightHorse666 - 06-27-2017
(06-27-2017, 11:18 PM)Gentian Wrote: Are you pursuing the methods of any particular school? Would you mind describing a forcing session for you, and how you first started creating her?
Not that I'm aware of. One person on r/tulpas called this the "armature method", but I haven't been able to find any information on that. I attempted to do the wonderland approach, but I could never make it work, between the headaches, and never seeming to make any progress, I just chalked it up to it not being for me.
For the last session, I asked for her to sit across from me on my bed, and I just focused on trying to see her, and focused on the thought of her being physically in front of me (as recommended by Equestrian Penguin). Pretty much did that for 30 minutes, until I felt like my vision was starting to go out of wack.
When I first started creating her/coming into contact with her, I would lay on my bed for 30 minutes to an hour, and just run through a personality trait list I had, just burning it into my memory. Did that for about a month and a half I think, and then moved on to vocalisation. I don't recall if I parroted or just waited for her to say something back, I probably said earlier on in this thread. I think it took her about 5 months to say anything back. And since then I've just been passive forcing, but we're both wanting to hop on this and get some progress.
(06-27-2017, 11:18 PM)Gentian Wrote: Are the other things in your dreams detailed? Do you dream of her every night?
Yeah, I remember other stuff such as backgrounds and all that being pretty damn detailed. Sometimes though, I can't see her at all, despite me knowing that she's in my dream.
And no, she doesn't come into my dreams always, sometimes she's too tired to come into them.
RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - Rares - 06-28-2017
(06-27-2017, 10:24 PM)NightHorse666 Wrote: I'd probably say a 4, my interpretation of that is 5 is fully visualised, anything 6 and up is imposition and superimposition. Correct me if I'm wrong on that interpretation.
I can hear her, but it's not in the "in the room with me" kind of hearing. It's like when you think something to yourself, but it's her, not me. And I can occasionally see her in my dreams, but I can't see the details, it's more of a really hazy view of her.
I understand. I sorta get that sometimes, but not as strong. In my case I just chalked it up as my instinct of what she would want.
RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - NightHorse666 - 07-06-2017
So, this may not be much of a progress update, but this is still pretty huge for me, so I wanna post about it.
Ponka and I just got done with another session, and I got a kinda hazy view of one of her eyes, mainly just the pupil and the big reflectiony part, but still
It was a lot stronger than the previous views of her, where those were mainly just really blurred colours of her, this time I could see like the lines separating the reflection and the eyelid/eyelashes
I'm also going to try to start lucid dreaming again so hopefully that'll help her come into my dreams more often which should help with visualisation and hopefully even imposition.
I'm really excited for all of this
RE: Forcing with Pinkie π - Gentian - 07-06-2017
Congratulations, man. You've mentioned before being able to see her, or parts of her, so what set this one apart? Clarity?