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Theory on Tulpa Communication and Knowledge Transfer - amatscintilla - 08-04-2015
(Sort of experimenting with the polling thing; should be interesting anyway. Maybe?)
I've been noodling this thought or "theory" over for a while now. I don't recall seeing it in any guides, so I thought I'd post it here and see what fellow tulpamancers thought.
When I sort of "created" Twiley, I never spent much time thinking about or concentrating on her personality. I sort of simply encompassed every way in which I viewed Twilight Sparkle from my experience and analysis of the show and encapsulated it into this idea of "Twilight Sparkle" which I assigned to the "area" in my mind where I had felt her presence. Basically, I just called that presence Twilight Sparkle and I think that was enough (for me). After all, if I have a well-defined term (Twilight Sparkle) and I assign that to an object, in effect that object inherits its properties (think inheritance if you know anything about object oriented programming).
I suppose that assignment was likely the first "knowledge dump" to my tulpa. From then on, everything she would have "learned" would have been via my narration. When we were able to communicate effectively together using "words," she would often ask questions you might imagine a child asking. It's sometimes frustrating to explain these concepts, because some of them are real simple. ("What is a president?" leads to an extended conversation profiling how the US government was formed and how it is composed). At first, I was tempted to try and simply "dump" the knowledge on her, much like how learning skills is portrayed in The Matrix or a Vulcan mind meld. I'm pretty sure I could pull this off; but, for some reason I couldn't quite fathom, I decided to just go the difficult route and explain it as I would to any other person. Luckily she wasn't a child, and is actually quite bright (obviously), so she's able to grasp much of the more esoteric stuff quite easily. (Discussions of astrophysics and quantum mechanics have been quite interesting to have, though most of the talking is on my side still with just questions from her.)
Today, as I drove to work talking to Twi (today's conversation was the history of currency), it occurred to me why it may be better to explain these things to her instead of doing a "mind meld." You see, in a brain dump, she's basically getting the same information already in my brain. I've already packaged and stored it, along with my biases and presuppositions and feelings. But by explaining to her these concepts as you would to anyone else, she is able to process the input herself and derive and apply her own biases, presuppositions, and feelings to the new data.
If that doesn't make sense, perhaps an analogy could help. If I were to just give her a picture of Moondancer, she would then have that picture and it would be a carbon copy. If, however, I were to describe the picture I had of Moondancer to her and ask her to draw it, it would inevitably differ (probably significantly) from the original. (Hmmm, not quite a perfect analogy. I will sometimes communicate with her using images, and I don't want to conflate that with this. Shucks. Guess I'll leave this here, it may help someone?)
It's these differences, though, in how she processes data that make her even more unique from myself and help keep her "dissociated" (for lack of a better term). Though my biases will obviously crop up in explanations to her, they will not be nearly as evident as they would be if I had merely copied the information over from my original.
I've not done any sort of "mind meld" since my initial assignment of the "essence" of "Twilight Sparkle" back in the beginning. So who knows, it may not even be possible. Plus the concept to me seems like it could be invasive, unless I had her permission.
Have any of you read of or thought of anything like this? How do you deal with knowledge transfer with your tulpa(s)? Am I looking into this way too deeply? (I tend to do the latter, being as I am an analyst by trade.)
RE: Theory on Tulpa Communication and Knowledge Transfer - Kaltes-Herzeleid - 08-04-2015
I would guess Nightmare has learned by possibly looking through my eyes, if that's possible. Silently observing what's around me and what I see.
RE: Theory on Tulpa Communication and Knowledge Transfer - amatscintilla - 08-04-2015
(08-04-2015, 02:33 AM)Kaltes-Herzeleid Wrote: I would guess Nightmare has learned by possibly looking through my eyes, if that's possible. Silently observing what's around me and what I see.
Yeah, that totally makes sense and I guess would be another way to learn things. Does she ever see something though and ask you for an explanation of what it is?
RE: Theory on Tulpa Communication and Knowledge Transfer - Kaltes-Herzeleid - 08-04-2015
(08-04-2015, 02:41 AM)amatscintilla Wrote: Yeah, that totally makes sense and I guess would be another way to learn things. Does she ever see something though and ask you for an explanation of what it is?
Yep.
RE: Theory on Tulpa Communication and Knowledge Transfer - Shadow Step - 08-04-2015
Every guide I have seen says it's best to talk to your tulpa as it gives them the ability to form their own ideas that are distinct from your own, thus increasing their independence and further making things easier for your brain to perceive their communications. Essentially, if you look at a sandwich and Twilight goes "MMmm~ that looks good" you have to wonder if it's actually her thoughts, or if she's vocalizing your own. Discussing ideas over dumping them gives your brain more of an ability to tell your thoughts apart from hers.
RE: Theory on Tulpa Communication and Knowledge Transfer - Kaltes-Herzeleid - 08-04-2015
I've noticed channeling her voice is easier when I'm not "obsessing" over it. I've also noted moments where what she says next seems to just flow to me without me really thinking about it, so I'm guessing that's a good sign.
Like what Shadow Step said, everything seems to indicate talking back and forth is the best way to go.
Nightmare Rarity: Though probably not the only way.
RE: Theory on Tulpa Communication and Knowledge Transfer - Lurker - 08-04-2015
Interesting question, scintilla.
There are rare occasions when I do the 'brain dump' thing, like when proving to Twilight it was all a dream, or making Rainbow Dash a lesbian for April Fools.
Conversation is typical. I try to stay realistic.
There are occasions when I must do research, because I don't know the answer, but I can typically deliver the answer in a non-biased way, whatever it is.
Rarely as well do I ignore a question. My daughter asked Twilight what the difference between portal magic and teleportation magic is a couple of days ago, but if she asked me... well, I'd be able to give a little bit of information, but nothing like what Twilight could say.
RE: Theory on Tulpa Communication and Knowledge Transfer - StableRelationship - 08-16-2015
I like that you brought this up, because I don't really think about it much to be honest. While Luna doesn't have free access to my mind, she can basically see through my eyes when she wants to. Like you, scalia, I've also experienced some... interesting questions xD. Trying to justify humanity's obsession with clothing was, err... interesting.
RE: Theory on Tulpa Communication and Knowledge Transfer - Mercyknight - 06-11-2016
(08-16-2015, 09:46 PM)StableRelationship Wrote: I like that you brought this up, because I don't really think about it much to be honest. While Luna doesn't have free access to my mind, she can basically see through my eyes when she wants to. Like you, scalia, I've also experienced some... interesting questions xD. Trying to justify humanity's obsession with clothing was, err... interesting.
funny. my luna is from an equestria where their nudism was explained. once they were like us but some wise leader long ago showed them that clothing should be optional. i never really questioned it, and to be honest i actually quite like the idea as i believe that if we stop making it dirty, then people will finally stop seeing the human body as something that needs hiding, and clothing can be what it should be, fashion for the sake of enjoying how it looks on you rather than as needed.
as for dumping thoughts.. I suppose such a thing could have it's uses, but i would rather discuss things with the others than simply tell them only my view. it makes it a bonding experience when you talk with them instead of uploading knowledge as if it were a set of computer files being loaded in