General Chatter

[Ziggy and Angelbaby]

A gunman armed with an assault rifle, apparently a terrorist / terrorist sympathizer, killed at least 50 people in a gay night club in Orlando, Florida.

And he did this because, well... They were gay. He had no trouble whatsoever legally purchasing firearms just a week or so prior to committing this hate crime and mass shooting.

[Lurker]

The massacre was, and I think this goes without say, disgusting. There's a lot more I could say, but I will keep it to that one word for now. Disgusting.

[Mercyknight]

A gunman armed with an assault rifle, apparently a terrorist / terrorist sympathizer, killed at least 50 people in a gay night club in Orlando, Florida.

And he did this because, well... They were gay. He had no trouble whatsoever legally purchasing firearms just a week or so prior to committing this hate crime and mass shooting.

as a gun supporter i can tell you this is not because law abiding citizens can own guns.

it is because the gov didn't do the background check right.
think about it, the fbi investigated him as a terrorist before he bought his weapon.
now i know that if i had been investigated for that, my background would light up like a christmas tree as suspicious when trying to buy one, so when this guy's check had a red flag why did they let it go through?

already there are protections in place, but this is an example of someone in the system being lazy, or being paid to willfully ignore someone trying to buy when they shouldnt be allowed to

[Lurker]

I think it's totally reasonable for civilians to own some guns.

I don't think it's reasonable under any circumstances to sell an assault rifle to a civilian.

[Ziggy and Angelbaby]

I don't think it's reasonable under any circumstances to sell an assault rifle to a civilian.

Agreed.

No matter who they are, an American civilian doesn't need an assault weapon. There's no argument that holds up against it. They don't need it for protection, and they don't need it for hunting. And "for the purpose of collecting" isn't any better, in my book.

[Lurker]

Yep.

[Mercyknight]

I think it's totally reasonable for civilians to own some guns.

I don't think it's reasonable under any circumstances to sell an assault rifle to a civilian.

not even the nightclub shooter had an assault rifle. modern sporting rifles are semi auto not full. however ity shouldn't matter if it is semi, full or whatever. there should be no restriction to civilian ownership, only restrictions on those who have done violent crimes, and/or are being/have been investigated on suspicion of terrorism unless proven innocent

[Kaltes-Herzeleid]

Holy shit it's only two more months to go.

[Mercyknight]

Holy shit it's only two more months to go.

2 more months? till what?

[Lurker]

not even the nightclub shooter had an assault rifle. modern sporting rifles are semi auto not full. however ity shouldn't matter if it is semi, full or whatever. there should be no restriction to civilian ownership, only restrictions on those who have done violent crimes, and/or are being/have been investigated on suspicion of terrorism unless proven innocent

I'm gonna respectfully disagree. Homicide statistics in countries with strict gun laws clearly demonstrate that there are far less mass shootings in those countries when compared to the US.

If your goal is sport, there's no need for heavy weapons, which is why my stance is in the middle. I think it's alright to let people who have an alright record possess a firearm, because the complete removal of guns isn't necessary, nor does it seem to be preferable, but to hand dangerous weapons out so liberally, especially powerful versions of an already dangerous form of weapon - guns - is senseless.

Frankly, though, I don't care too much for the latest and hottest debate topics surrounding the Orlando shooting. Everyone's chucking blame around like it's someone's fault. Like monkeys flinging shit. Oh, it's the left, and their overly liberal immigration policies. Oh, it's the right and their gun-loving insanity. The shooter had a profile on a gay dating website and likely hated himself, and also had a record with domestic abuse and anger issues. If I remember correctly, he was also born in the United States. It's is not limited to any one issue and the more shit gets flung, the more it just piles up atop the memories of the victims of that massacre. And don't even get me started on Westboro or those who have a similar point of view. Overall this situation is just one giant, disgusting mess.