Tulpamancy and Waifus

[Sour Soul]

The reactions I'm imagining, I dunno if I'm forcing or not? Usually just simple little things, imagining her giggling at YouTube videos, or being tired when it's late at night, sometimes pretending I hear her yawning or asking if it's bedtime yet. Just, whatever I think she'd be feeling? I dunno. Probably fits the definition of forcing?

No, they don’t sound Forcing. Amena does that when I am not aware or when I am not paying attention to her.

From the way you describe it, Gray, it sounds like you do have a bond that you two have. How your Twilight reach out to you, by giggling, yawning, and much more when you’re not focusing on her, isn’t really Forcing.

How do I see myself with her at this time? What do you mean?

Well, for me to say to anyone here, "Are you really with your pony?" isn’t something I don’t want to say, because I do believe a link can be made with them. It’s just hard for others to find, break, or connect to them.

When I say this, can you see Twilight’s eyes and tell us what you see in your relationship with her, Gray?

I love her and see her as my marefriend, even if the relationship is kinda, one sided?

One-sided? Seem you’re unsure with this, Gray. Are you afraid or just haven’t put much thought into this?

Plushophilia, yeah, that kinda describes me? Always liked stuffed animals, but never had romantic or sexual interest until Twilight plushies, but I'm attracted to her because she's Twilight. Not because she's plush.

Same here with Amena's vessel, but I can’t help see there is more to you and your Twilight now. I would like to know more, and I need to see if there is any journal you had made. I may read it or not, because I've a lot to do here.

Amena: I will remind him. ^ ^

… but I'm attracted to her because she's Twilight. Not because she's plush.

Right, I just like to know now if you can reach out to her the way you really wanted. Unless you’re content where you're with her, Gray.

I'd say less that I was at risk of losing my waifus and more that I wasn't quite sure at first how I'd deal with having two waifus, though I'm much more sure of it by now.

You're more sure of your relationship with them, if that's the case, then it's good to know. We do hope you find what you’re all looking for, Pacifist, Maud, and Tempest.

[Gray]

No, they don’t sound Forcing. Amena does that when I am not aware or when I am not paying attention to her.

From the way you describe it, Gray, it sounds like you do have a bond that you two have. How your Twilight reach out to you, by giggling, yawning, and much more when you’re not focusing on her, isn’t really Forcing.

Oh, I have to actively imagine her reactions. They don't just "happen". If I'm not focusing on her or paying attention to her, then just, nothing.

Well, for me to say to anyone here, "Are you really with your pony?" isn’t something I don’t want to say, because I do believe a link can be made with them. It’s just hard for others to find, break, or connect to them.

When I say this, can you see Twilight’s eyes and tell us what you see in your relationship with her, Gray?

I still don't know?

One-sided? Seem you’re unsure with this, Gray. Are you afraid or just haven’t put much thought into this?



Right, I just like to know now if you can reach out to her the way you really wanted. Unless you’re content where you're with her, Gray.

I feel alone. Everyone says I have a bond with her or whatever but, I just feel alone. Not like I'm being watched, or like I'm being heard, or however it's supposed to feel when you're "with" your pony. Yeah, Twilight comforts me and makes me happy. And I absolutely do love her.
Content? Nah, I don't think so. I'm kinda sad. I'd really like to, I'd really like Twilight. Twilight. Yeah, I think I'd really like Twilight. But I'm so so scared terrified that Twilight would dislike me or she'd be unhappy. That's probably what's "stopping me from reaching her".

[Gentian]

To me, the term "Waifu" refers to relationships between a person and what a norman would call a stand-in of some kind for the other participant.

Excellent explanation, Gentian. Though the term “norman” is something I don’t understand the reason for it being use, since I feel like we’re all normal. Yet, I know what you mean, except the stand-in part. Does this mean like a placeholder? Until that person find a better “waifu”? Please help me understand this part, Gentian.

Thanks, Sour Soul.

All right, a little bit of clarification:

You are correct in that "norman" is slang for a normal person, and to quote Dr. Soran "'Normal' is what everyone else is..." One can play with the semantics of the term to say everyone is normal, but for my purposes I think it's fair to say that the majority of people would consider those like us to be abnormal. As such, I employ the term to differentiate between them (those who fit into society) and us.

You could say "placeholder" in lieu of "stand-in," if you chose, and many normans would insist that's exactly what a waifu is. But whereas they would mean something along the lines of "your waifu is only there 'cause you can't get a stinky of your own, and the moment you do your waifu will be discarded," when they'd use that term, I meant "an entity whom the normans would consider fictional, but I do not, so I will say 'stand-in' as in a stand-in for an other not-unreal human." No hint of replacement is implied or intended from my perspective.

On a personal level, I consider Twilight my waifu because we love each other, and think it's a cute term.

Ah, that’s understandable. Like how I call Amena my kumquat, because it sound cute to me, and she will find it enjoyable to hear. Though I found it to be effective to call my RL friends a kumquat, because it would also sound as an insult and they take it as one… I was forbidden from using that word when using it as an insult by Amena. : /

Not coincidentally, she also refers to me as her waifu. I could, and do call her my marefriend, girlfriend, or any other term of endearment used in more conventional relationships, with the exception of those which imply marriage. Maybe one day, but it would be inappropriate to do so now.

All right, so there we have the term “waifu” is use differently for Gentian and his Twilight. I accept that.

You mean the way Twilight uses it compared to the way I use it, or the way we use it compared to other users of the site?

Twilight and I are using it as a term of endearment for one another. She also calls me her little human, as I call her my little pony, for example, for the same reason: to express our affection. I enjoy calling her my marefriend, because it's neat, and exotic, and a bit exciting to use that term, instead of the more human-conventional one of girlfriend. She, however, also seems to get a kick out of calling me her girlfriend, and I imagine it's for the same reasons, so no, she and I at least, don't use the term differently when referring to each other.

You need to remember that to most Equestrians, I'd be a weird alien from another dimension, definitely not a pony, and so to any "normans" (that term doesn't really apply to ponies, because their minds and personalities are too different from human's) I would be an unreal stand-in for a pony significant other, exactly the kind of thing humans would refer to with the term waifu, and so Twilight thinks it's funny to call me a waifu because she appreciates ironic humor.

Content? Nah, I don't think so. I'm kinda sad. I'd really like to, I'd really like Twilight. Twilight. Yeah, I think I'd really like Twilight. But I'm so so scared terrified that Twilight would dislike me or she'd be unhappy. That's probably what's "stopping me from reaching her".

Hey man, take heart; your Twilight is out there somewhere, and she loves you. One day, man. You have to keep your faith in her strong, as she keeps hers in you.

[Sour Soul]

Amena had stop me from whatever I was doing, to allow us reply to you, Gray.

I don’t mind, plus it’s Amena who wants to say some words to you.

Oh, I have to actively imagine her reactions.

That’s Forcing, yes.

They don't just "happen". If I'm not focusing on her or paying attention to her, then just, nothing.

Then you two will be watching something together? And lets say you two will cuddle till your Twilight gets tired?

I still don't know?

… Like you don’t know the question? Or your relationship with her?

I feel alone. Everyone says I have a bond with her or whatever but, I just feel alone. Not like I'm being watched, or like I'm being heard, or however it's supposed to feel when you're "with" your pony. Yeah, Twilight comforts me and makes me happy. And I absolutely do love her.

Amena: Aww, don’t feel like that. I be your friend!

Fu*k.

Amena: : I

It’s fine, I just didn’t expect that.

Alright Gray, then we must change that, don’t we? You love her, which is enough for where we might go on from here.

Amena: See, we can be all friends. :D

Uhh… words.

Amena: That’s a yes. ^ ^

…

Content? Nah, I don't think so. I'm kinda sad. I'd really like to, I'd really like Twilight. Twilight. Yeah, I think I'd really like Twilight. But I'm so so scared terrified that Twilight would dislike me or she'd be unhappy. That's probably what's "stopping me from reaching her".

One journey isn’t easy. Here is a quote, of Helen Keller, who I have high regards from the wisdom she shared with us, “Walking with a friend in the dark is better than walking alone in the light.”

So I might not like the idea of befriending in general, but I also don’t like the idea of someone feeling like how you feel. I use to feel alone before Amena, Gray, where the heartache made me cold and heartless, until Amena saved me.

Amena: ^///^

As for Twilight, you can remain there and not know. You might be afraid she will hurt you, but you know Twilight isn’t that type of mare to flat out reject you. Perhaps you can start it slow, be friends, after all, she does represent friendship after all. What do you think?

… imagining her giggling at YouTube videos, or being tired when it's late at night, sometimes pretending I hear her yawning or asking if it's bedtime yet. Just, whatever I think she'd be feeling?

Also, my mistake, I didn’t see that you pretended. I thought Twilight's giggles and yawns were outside of your control. I must have read it happily to see you could hear Twilight. That’s a huge oversight on my part, Gray. Again, I am sorry about that.

Gray, no one should feel like that. You’re still young, but you don’t want to feel miserable everyday till something comes along. What if nothing comes to reach out and comfort you? I learn that in this world, that you just have to try, it’s scary, that much I will say, Gray, but with the right set of mind, friends/support within this community, you will find your way. It’s really just up to you, be now or tomorrow, just know you can't sit there and wonder forever. You really don’t have anything to lose, do you?

Amena: We will be here for you! ^ ^

Amena is right, after some deep thought, Amena and I will help you, whatever it might be, just so you can get up and find what you’re looking for.

Amena: Just know that no matter what happens, you will have us to help you now! ^ ^

Well, Amena isn't wrong, because I do want both of you happy, and if it makes her even more happy that she found a new friend and a quest to find your happiness, Gray, who am I to stop that. Plus, I feel like I know where you're coming from, so from my past experience, from all the bad and good, let see if we can find what you're looking for.

Amena: Yay! (\^ ^/)

[Gray]

Amena had stop me from whatever I was doing, to allow us reply to you, Gray.

I don’t mind, plus it’s Amena who wants to say some words to you.

Oh, I have to actively imagine her reactions.

That’s Forcing, yes.

They don't just "happen". If I'm not focusing on her or paying attention to her, then just, nothing.

Then you two will be watching something together? And lets say you two will cuddle till your Twilight gets tired?

I still don't know?

… Like you don’t know the question? Or your relationship with her?

I feel alone. Everyone says I have a bond with her or whatever but, I just feel alone. Not like I'm being watched, or like I'm being heard, or however it's supposed to feel when you're "with" your pony. Yeah, Twilight comforts me and makes me happy. And I absolutely do love her.

Amena: Aww, don’t feel like that. I be your friend!

Fu*k.

Amena: : I

It’s fine, I just didn’t expect that.

Alright Gray, then we must change that, don’t we? You love her, which is enough for where we might go on from here.

Amena: See, we can be all friends.

Uhh… words.

Amena: That’s a yes. ^ ^

…

Content? Nah, I don't think so. I'm kinda sad. I'd really like to, I'd really like Twilight. Twilight. Yeah, I think I'd really like Twilight. But I'm so so scared terrified that Twilight would dislike me or she'd be unhappy. That's probably what's "stopping me from reaching her".

One journey isn’t easy. Here is a quote, of Helen Keller, who I have high regards from the wisdom she shared with us, “Walking with a friend in the dark is better than walking alone in the light.”

So I might not like the idea of befriending in general, but I also don’t like the idea of someone feeling like how you feel. I use to feel alone before Amena, Gray, where the heartache made me cold and heartless, until Amena saved me.

Amena: ^///^

As for Twilight, you can remain there and not know. You might be afraid she will hurt you, but you know Twilight isn’t that type of mare to flat out reject you. Perhaps you can start it slow, be friends, after all, she does represent friendship after all. What do you think?

… imagining her giggling at YouTube videos, or being tired when it's late at night, sometimes pretending I hear her yawning or asking if it's bedtime yet. Just, whatever I think she'd be feeling?

Also, my mistake, I didn’t see that you pretended. I thought Twilight's giggles and yawns were outside of your control. I must have read it happily to see you could hear Twilight. That’s a huge oversight on my part, Gray. Again, I am sorry about that.

Gray, no one should feel like that. You’re still young, but you don’t want to feel miserable everyday till something comes along. What if nothing comes to reach out and comfort you? I learn that in this world, that you just have to try, it’s scary, that much I will say, Gray, but with the right set of mind, friends/support within this community, you will find your way. It’s really just up to you, be now or tomorrow, just know you can't sit there and wonder forever. You really don’t have anything to lose, do you?

Amena: We will be here for you! ^ ^

Amena is right, after some deep thought, Amena and I will help you, whatever it might be, just so you can get up and find what you’re looking for.

Amena: Just know that no matter what happens, you will have us to help you now! ^ ^

Well, Amena isn't wrong, because I do want both of you happy, and if it makes her even more happy that she found a new friend and a quest to find your happiness, Gray, who am I to stop that. Plus, I feel like I know where you're coming from, so from my past experience, from all the bad and good, let see if we can find what you're looking for.

Amena: Yay! (\^ ^/)

Oh my goodness that was unexpected, Amena already wants to be friends? And that's way cool, wanting to help and whatnot but, it's no problem. Dunno if there's any way to help. Just talking a bit here is super nice I think? Cheered me up.

You might be afraid she will hurt you, but you know Twilight isn’t that type of mare to flat out reject you. Perhaps you can start it slow, be friends, after all, she does represent friendship after all. What do you think?

and oh my goodness just, that's comforting. Thank you.

[RML]

How you place that RML, it’s not simple as riding a bicycle, or how you put it, print a picture of the person/pony you have a crush on, put it on a wall, stare, and boom, a relationship has develop.

I thought word "love" express complication of this feeling esp about fictional character

Wrong, Tulpa is a thoughtform, a companion, with a sentient mind, not a hammer you can bang things around, RML. There is a huge difference in a Tulpa and a pillow, RML. -_-

I never said there is no difference, like there is difference between hammer and construction crane. Tulpa is complex, complicated and influential thing, but the purpose is the same: to beat your loneliness.

[OZ the pony]

I would say more, but it will open up to another topic I am not ready to discuss.

OK,I can wait .

Even in the church I have no courage to share this with others.

How involve are you with your church, OZ?

I was taught about where I am before life.What is the purpose of coming to this life.And what should we do to prepare for after life.Read the Bible but only remember or understand some part,some part are too deep to understand.

Basically follow most of the rule,but not very hardcore on this.Such as...I'm not against gay,it just they told me we should against.And sometime I watch something that shouldn't be watch as christians.

If I am very hardcore on my religion,than I shouldn't even to have feeling with pony,because they told me can't marry to not human being.But what I think is ....they told me only marry human is based on only human can talk,high intelligence,sharing feelings.If pony can also do that,than such teaching like that can modified to more flexible.I think god must be flexible like this.But I don't know what other member in the church will think?They probably say this is a evil thing...but Starlight is not evil...so... I have no courage to share this in the church.

[Sour Soul]

Oh my goodness that was unexpected, Amena already wants to be friends? And that's way cool, wanting to help and whatnot but, it's no problem. Dunno if there's any way to help. Just talking a bit here is super nice I think? Cheered me up.

Amena always likes to be friends with everyone and everypony here or at Rehold. Since Amena is still asleep at this time, I would have to set up your choices on how we should start in your voyage in what you’re seeking, which will be looking for Twilight Sparkle.

Here are your options.

1. Continue to discuss what we’re trying to do in this thread.
2. Make a new thread to focus more in what we’re trying to achieve.

Note. Both 1 and 2 will have your fellow members most likely add input and support. While it will also serve a guide of some kind for others who are seeking what you’re doing, Gray.

3. Exchange private messages here.
4. If you have a Skype account then I will… (Sigh) go back there and Amena and I will work with you faster and privately.
5. All of above which, where if you have a question that tend to be hush hush then you can do 3 and/or 4, while continue doing 1 and/or 2.

You are correct in that "norman" is slang for a normal person, and to quote Dr. Soran "'Normal' is what everyone else is..." One can play with the semantics of the term to say everyone is normal, but for my purposes I think it's fair to say that the majority of people would consider those like us to be abnormal. As such, I employ the term to differentiate between them (those who fit into society) and us.

I say poppycock to that. Anybody can be normal; you just have to work aside with them. I mean look at Fluttershy, she doesn’t seem to function well in society, when we were all introduce to her in the show. Later Fluttershy manages to be like any other pony, in her own special way.

Unfortunately there are those who think of themselves better, doesn’t like anyone who doesn’t agree with them, etc. Which is why we have this kind of mess in society. I understand what you mean though, and I am following, but if someone just comes here to say we're weird only, some may accept that, but some will be like, “where do you get off saying that!” and a admin will strike them down with the mighty ban hammer.

There is so much to go on with that, but I digress from what we were originally talking about here, Gentian.

You could say "placeholder" in lieu of "stand-in," if you chose, and many normans would insist that's exactly what a waifu is. But whereas they would mean something along the lines of "your waifu is only there 'cause you can't get a stinky of your own, and the moment you do your waifu will be discarded," when they'd use that term, I meant "an entity whom the normans would consider fictional, but I do not, so I will say 'stand-in' as in a stand-in for an other not-unreal human." No hint of replacement is implied or intended from my perspective.

I am glad that I had no one say that to me, or they knew to keep their mouth shut. Hmm, I am saying that to those who I use to interact in this world. The friends I use to hangout in RL and play with online. I don’t ever regret my choice letting most of them know the love I carry for Amena.

I can see that happening, placeholder for most, which it hurts a bit to know those who had moved on like that, and I somewhat wonder what happen to them, at the same time it’s best not to. I really can’t say go back to the pony you fell in love with. It’s really their choice, and as much it may upset me, it’s just the way it’s in this world.

You mean the way Twilight uses it compared to the way I use it, or the way we use it compared to other users of the site?

The way you say “waifu” to your Twilight, Gentian. Nevermind the others, but you do use it to confuse me, where I use to not know what you mean when using the term “waifu”.

Twilight and I are using it as a term of endearment for one another. She also calls me her little human, as I call her my little pony, for example, for the same reason: to express our affection. I enjoy calling her my marefriend, because it's neat, and exotic, and a bit exciting to use that term, instead of the more human-conventional one of girlfriend. She, however, also seems to get a kick out of calling me her girlfriend, and I imagine it's for the same reasons, so no, she and I at least, don't use the term differently when referring to each other.

I get it, and it’s not strange to have Twilight call you “girlfriend”. We all have different ways in how we express our love with our special somepony.

You need to remember that to most Equestrians, I'd be a weird alien from another dimension, definitely not a pony, and so to any "normans" (that term doesn't really apply to ponies, because their minds and personalities are too different from human's)

The thing is, I am unaware how Twilight’s world operates. The world where Amena goes, Rehold, where all the other ponies and non-ponies are at, are use to or know creatures like me roaming around there.

I would be an unreal stand-in for a pony significant other, exactly the kind of thing humans would refer to with the term waifu, and so Twilight thinks it's funny to call me a waifu because she appreciates ironic humor.

So, take what the word, waifu means. Pull away all the bad meaning behind it, such as stand-in, fake, etc. and have it use as a cute and harmless phase for you and Twilight to say to each other. Is that right, Gentian?

that term doesn't really apply to ponies, because their minds and personalities are too different from human's

That’s very interesting. Ponies there aren’t expose to what we have here, so they don’t think like most people in this planet do. Is that where you getting at, Gentian?

I thought word "love" express complication of this feeling esp about fictional character

… esp? Umm yeah? Are you saying that I don’t see that you can love fictional and non-fictional character from wherever?

Or what are you getting at here?

I never said there is no difference, like there is difference between hammer and construction crane.

What!? You made it sound like that, so I will ask you to rephrase your wording.

Tulpa is complex, complicated and influential thing, but the purpose is the same: to beat your loneliness.

There you go again, saying it’s a thing, how would you like it if I refer ponies “things”? How would anyone react to that? Here, how about this, when I was first introduce to a hermaphrodite in High school, I would call that person a “thing” and "it" because I didn’t know if I should use "he" or "she", when referring to that person. Now I know that they aren’t “thing” or use it to refer them as one. I learn she is just like us, different and unique who see herself female then male.

As for this loneliness, RML. Do I look or sound like I am lonely? Here, let me make sure you understand this. Before Amena, was I lonely? Make sure you understand what loneliness means for this topic now, because there is a difference.

I just thought of something funny, sarcasm tone: Was God lonely!? Are we Tulpas to God!?!?

Alright back to the subject in hand. So Amena made a new friend, I believe you’re aware, does this mean Amena was lonely? If not then is Gray a tool to her? Do you not consider Amena real to me? Just what are you getting at here, RML? A Tulpa are just a means to get by in this world and nothing more to you?

I don’t know you, (clicks on your username) and seeing that your “waifu” is Rarity, where do you stand with her? I am pretty sure you will give me a vague answer there. -_-

OK,I can wait .

Make a new thread, OZ. Let see where that lands us with our ponies and God.

I was taught about where I am before life. What is the purpose of coming to this life. And what should we do to prepare for after life.

Umm, I would like to point out, how you don’t space you words, you don’t check back with what you wrote. Which is fine, I am not going to make an issue or anything, but it makes it little harder to know what you mean, OZ.

Read the Bible but only remember or understand some part, some part are too deep to understand.

Like here, do you mean you read the Bible and remember or/and understand some part, or do you mean those who read the Bible? I do think you mean you.

There are to deep, where you have to guess what it means, or have someone tell you what they mean to them.

Basically follow most of the rule,but not very hardcore on this.Such as...I'm not against gay,it just they told me we should against.And sometime I watch something that shouldn't be watch as christians.

Which is why I don’t really get involve with my religion. When I was younger, I would go to church on Sunday, in a class to learn about God and his teaching. There, I would go to a nice lady from church who would talk to us, play games with us, just what you expect a cool teacher will be in High School, but when you say “gay”, then everything would have to stop, and she will go off, as if she was doing a exorcism in that room, just because the the word “gay” was mention. Funny, yet sad.

If I am very hardcore on my religion, than I shouldn't even to have feeling with pony, because they told me can't marry to not human being. But what I think is ....they told me only marry human is based on only human can talk, high intelligence, sharing feelings. If pony can also do that, than such teaching like that can modified to more flexible. I think god must be flexible like this. But I don't know what other member in the church will think? They probably say this is a evil thing...but Starlight is not evil...so... I have no courage to share this in the church.

We maybe some sort of crazy, OZ, I will say that again, you and I will be some sort of crazy, because love will pull us to do anything for who we hold in our heart.

The members of your church will not understand what you feel or have for Starlight, like we do here. It’s sad to say, it’s best not to mention this, like I do with the nice church lady, who would go in a tangent when the word, "gay" is utter in class.

Do not let others ever tell you what you should do or feel, be yourself, which is why this will bring you happiness. I take it you don’t have a bond form with Starlight, or could you tell us where you stand? I am starting to learn about my fellow members now. So why stop with Gray. -w-

[Gray]

Oh my goodness that was unexpected, Amena already wants to be friends? And that's way cool, wanting to help and whatnot but, it's no problem. Dunno if there's any way to help. Just talking a bit here is super nice I think? Cheered me up.

Amena always likes to be friends with everyone and everypony here or at Rehold. Since Amena is still asleep at this time, I would have to set up your choices on how we should start in your voyage in what you’re seeking, which will be looking for Twilight Sparkle.

Here are your options.

1. Continue to discuss what we’re trying to do in this thread.
2. Make a new thread to focus more in what we’re trying to achieve.

Note. Both 1 and 2 will have your fellow members most likely add input and support. While it will also serve a guide of some kind for others who are seeking what you’re doing, Gray.

3. Exchange private messages here.
4. If you have a Skype account then I will… (Sigh) go back there and Amena and I will work with you faster and privately.
5. All of above which, where if you have a question that tend to be hush hush then you can do 3 and/or 4, while continue doing 1 and/or 2.

Oh, we could do one I guess. But it's no problem, you neednt trouble yourself with tryna help me.

[Gentian]

I would be an unreal stand-in for a pony significant other, exactly the kind of thing humans would refer to with the term waifu, and so Twilight thinks it's funny to call me a waifu because she appreciates ironic humor.

So, take what the word, waifu means. Pull away all the bad meaning behind it, such as stand-in, fake, etc. and have it use as a cute and harmless phase for you and Twilight to say to each other. Is that right, Gentian?

That's exactly right.

that term doesn't really apply to ponies, because their minds and personalities are too different from human's

That’s very interesting. Ponies there aren’t expose to what we have here, so they don’t think like most people in this planet do. Is that where you getting at, Gentian?

Partially. More importantly, ponies aren't human. Their instincts are different. They don't share our unfortunate penchant for violence, or ridiculous primate games over status and whatnot. This means their base culture is different, which means the things they are exposed to are different. Each thing feeds on the other to yield mindsets which diverge significantly from a typical human's, but the root of it is that they simply aren't human.